Evangelism & MissionsTier 2DisagreeStarted by Billy Scully - July 11, 2025 - 4 comments
Hell is done being harrowed?
Discussing:
“People who never hear the gospel cannot be saved.”
Thread starter's perspective:
If Christ died for past and future sins, has not hell been harrowed of true believers? I’d nuance this from universalism (🤮) by bringing up ancient Israelites, and even those nations untouched by our world. Though only Moses and Elijah are attested, I believe in the traditions of Adam and Eve being saved.
I can be swayed, however, with the Conquest of Canaan calling for total eradication, of even the women and children. However, Christ has conquered death and so rightly ordered it, so as to strip the Devil of powers.
It could be my modern, western education softening the edge of Scripture, but I feel(!!!) as though to damn those untouched by the Gospel in life (by no choice of their own) is outside of God’s character.
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KF
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This is a tough one, I feel that creation is a powerful tapestry for those who stop and question their reason for being. I just do not know how they get the answers without a gospel to align everything though.
I do trust that God is just and will place the opportunity in each heart, I just do not claim to know how he accomplished this without teachers to teach or books to read.
BH
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Why the strong visceral reaction against universalism? Do you understand universalism to be nothing more than God being too nice to allow anyone to be judged? Or do you understand it to be a necessary result of God's promise to reconcile all things to Himself through Christ's atoning work?
MW
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I want to come back to this since I’m busy at the moment but I look at people being saved who haven’t heard the Gospel as something for God to decide. And it’s up to how they have responded to “General Revelation”. My proof text for this is essentially the book of Job. He never heard the Gospel but what had been revealed he was faithful to that. So a person stranded on an island has the moral law on their heart and can look at creation and see there is a God. So it depends on how they respond to that revelation if somebody genuinely has no chance of hearing the Gospel.
